Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:29 pm
Absolutley nothing.
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Well yeah, because Lenin was just another dictator with a fancy title.John Wolf wrote:However by the time Lenin died he had ordered thousands to be put to death, anti communists, religious people and independanist russian peasants.
There's an interesting contradiction. Not much into what things really mean, and still an artist? I bet abstract paintings are quite a pill for you to swallow. How can you be at all creative with a viewpoint like that?MattSullivan wrote:Again, to clarify...I'm somewhat conservative and old-fashioned. I see things in a very black and white two-dimensional way. ... I'm not much into philosophy or "what things really mean" ... Since i'm an artist
Depends on where you look. In my experience, unless you're looking for the porn, you don't find much of it.MattSullivan wrote:Furry art is more often than not, sexually provocative.
It isn't my problem if you're insecure.MattSullivan wrote:For God's sake, I myself have drawn ( and may draw in the future ) furry art. I stopped making it ( for the most part ) because people outside the fandom saw it in such a negative light, and I didn't want to only be associated with this fandom. Those of you who love furry fandom, no doubt see me as something of an intolerant or ignorant person.
I know a lot of furs don't care what other ( non-fur ) people think of them. But I do. And I have a right to care about that.
Well, I'm anti-people-eating-babies, surely you're not going to argue with me on that? Being against something isn't always a bad thing.MattSullivan wrote:And so many furs are SO anti-this, anti-that, I actually find them to be more intolerant than most right wing fanatics.
Must've missed that, point them out to me. I didn't see any blanket statements while reading over this.MattSullivan wrote:And IF someone tends to disagree with the negative aspects of the fandom, ( IE, go against the popular party line )people come out of the woodwork to make blanket statements like some of the afforemantioned in this thread.
This is the point where I call you a hypocrite. You do the same damn thing. "Oh noes, you called my art furry, UR MEAN!"MattSullivan wrote:Too many people react in a knee-jerk fashion. They don't know how to let go of their emotions, and stop and THINK, "Gee, this person isn't talking about ME" Everyone thinks if someone writes something, it's a personal insult. They tend to turn the internet into a realm of CONSTANT DRAMA, when it doesn't need to be.
It's called slang. Something that will always pop up in language. I despise "ebonics", hip-hop derived words, but I don't (usually) b**** when people use it.MattSullivan wrote:Sorry, but I get uncomfortable when thefurry friends I sometimes hang out with use the word "yiff" every other second. In fact, much of the "furry language" is repellant to me. Yiff Yarf Murr....it really makes my skin crawl, and I don't know why. It's possible that I'm a little older, and I remember a time where people didn'tmake up words to disguise reality.
For the record, I despise people, so right now you're the one making blanket statements.MattSullivan wrote:But more to a point, and getting more back on topic i think communism appeals to furries. They like living together and sharing resources.
Being broke isn't solely a furry thing. And really, what does that have to do with anything?MattSullivan wrote:Most furries i know are poor and don't work...they often pool resources...well...maybe not so much because they want to...but because they have to. Of all the furs i've ever known, only ONE owns his own house or makes more than 700 bucks a month
I couldn't agree more. I'm too afraid to say it myself, but now that I know another person shares that same concern... why not. It is a growing problem.MattSullivan wrote:Too many people react in a knee-jerk fashion. They don't know how to let go of their emotions, and stop and THINK, "Gee, this person isn't talking about ME" Everyone thinks if someone writes something, it's a personal insult. They tend to turn the internet into a realm of CONSTANT DRAMA, when it doesn't need to be.
Now that I disagree with. It's just generalizing and stereotyping against the furry fandom based on perhaps a small percentage, if not majority of the fandom. "Guilty by association" so to speak. Amost allways false. I'm very sure that a large percentage of the fandom is not exactly as you described.MattSullivan wrote:But more to a point, and getting more back on topic i think communism appeals to furries. They like living together and sharing resources. Most furries i know are poor and don't work...they often pool resources...well...maybe not so much because they want to...but because they have to. Of all the furs i've ever known, only ONE owns his own house or makes more than 700 bucks a month
It proves nothing. For all you know, I could be a computer.cumulusprotagonist wrote:Set, you despise "people"? Don't you know that you are a person?
The fact that you can comunicate on this forum proves you are a person. This is dead serious.
Why are you assuming I care enough to bother asking?(I will not say why I added that.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-DbYO5LYJwLukas wrote:o snap, quick shadowwolf! to the debate bunkers! *takes cover*
Not all art is abstract. And not all artist work for the sake of creativity. And not all artists care what things really mean. (boy, you have a narrow veiw of what an artist should be, dont you?)Set wrote:There's an interesting contradiction. Not much into what things really mean, and still an artist? I bet abstract paintings are quite a pill for you to swallow. How can you be at all creative with a viewpoint like that?MattSullivan wrote:Again, to clarify...I'm somewhat conservative and old-fashioned. I see things in a very black and white two-dimensional way. ... I'm not much into philosophy or "what things really mean" ... Since i'm an artist
If its not sexual in some way then i wont consider it furry art. Instead, i think of it at anthro or simply charicter art. I'm guessing Matt thinks similarlySet wrote:Depends on where you look. In my experience, unless you're looking for the porn, you don't find much of it.MattSullivan wrote:Furry art is more often than not, sexually provocative.
Nobody said it had to be. DickwadSet wrote:It isn't my problem if you're insecure.MattSullivan wrote:For God's sake, I myself have drawn ( and may draw in the future ) furry art. I stopped making it ( for the most part ) because people outside the fandom saw it in such a negative light, and I didn't want to only be associated with this fandom. Those of you who love furry fandom, no doubt see me as something of an intolerant or ignorant person.
I know a lot of furs don't care what other ( non-fur ) people think of them. But I do. And I have a right to care about that.
OK, are you tryng to picka fight or something?Set wrote:Well, I'm anti-people-eating-babies, surely you're not going to argue with me on that? Being against something isn't always a bad thing.MattSullivan wrote:And so many furs are SO anti-this, anti-that, I actually find them to be more intolerant than most right wing fanatics.
this made no sense to me. Can you rephrase or expand or something?MattSullivan wrote:And IF someone tends to disagree with the negative aspects of the fandom, ( IE, go against the popular party line )people come out of the woodwork to make blanket statements like some of the afforemantioned in this thread.
I didn't see his posts as being retaltiatory in any way. an example of what he was talking about would be this:Set wrote:This is the point where I call you a hypocrite. You do the same damn thing. "Oh noes, you called my art furry, UR MEAN!"MattSullivan wrote:Too many people react in a knee-jerk fashion. They don't know how to let go of their emotions, and stop and THINK, "Gee, this person isn't talking about ME" Everyone thinks if someone writes something, it's a personal insult. They tend to turn the internet into a realm of CONSTANT DRAMA, when it doesn't need to be.
sry pariah, twas the easiest example for me to copy and paste **oh, and what matt ment was that all yiff, and only yiff, he considers furry art. not teh other way around.PariahPoet wrote:Matt- to be honest, it offends me that you lump all furry art into "yiff". You know me. You know I don't do that, is my art nothing but yiff to you?
Did he say he bitches when poeple use them, smart a**? That isn't even implied anywhere in what he wrote. He simply stated use of said phrases makes him uncomfortible. Honestly, it would make me uncomfortible too. But i suppose i'm also conservitive.Set wrote:It's called slang. Something that will always pop up in language. I despise "ebonics", hip-hop derived words, but I don't (usually) b**** when people use it.MattSullivan wrote:Sorry, but I get uncomfortable when thefurry friends I sometimes hang out with use the word "yiff" every other second. In fact, much of the "furry language" is repellant to me. Yiff Yarf Murr....it really makes my skin crawl, and I don't know why. It's possible that I'm a little older, and I remember a time where people didn'tmake up words to disguise reality.
Yes, it was a blanket statement. But it was also a thoughtfull answer to the question posted at the beggining of this thread. And WTF does your hate for people have to do with anything? (for the record, i dispise rude little s*** who make irrelivant and retarded-a** comments for the sake of ticking people off)Set wrote:For the record, I despise people, so right now you're the one making blanket statements.MattSullivan wrote:But more to a point, and getting more back on topic i think communism appeals to furries. They like living together and sharing resources.
When did he imply that it was? He was making an observation based on his experiences.Set wrote:Being broke isn't solely a furry thing. And really, what does that have to do with anything?MattSullivan wrote:Most furries i know are poor and don't work...they often pool resources...well...maybe not so much because they want to...but because they have to. Of all the furs i've ever known, only ONE owns his own house or makes more than 700 bucks a month
I never attacked anybody. Just stated some opinions. If it seemed like I was, I was being misinterpreted because I'm not a good writer. Sorry.Set (and everyone else), stop reading posts as if they are aimed at attacking something and try to look at stuff as simple openions and observations. Yes, you may not agree with other peoples openions.
Well the first art I came across on the furry subject, I viewed, was like coyotes, huskys and foxes with red star communist or communistic like flags. I've also heard that furry's (the people who dress up as them) are leftleaning and tend to be communistic, even if this is inacurate, I still wanted to know.Kaebora wrote:I seriously cannot see why this subject was even considered a valid discussion. Makes no sense, and the obvious answer to the threads question is more than likely "no".
Communism = form of governmental rule where all people make the same amount of money from the government regardless of their job, and share resources equally. Can also be partially democratic in how officials are elected.
Furries = a fandom based around anthropomorphic creatures.
Just WHAT do the two have in common? Please tell me, because I don't see any similarities.
John Wolf wrote:
However I still belive this subject had a purpose and has been worth discussing, though I admit, I should have clarified more what I was intending to get answered.
*Has mouse over lock button* Only a matter of time comrads!Figarou wrote:John Wolf wrote:
However I still belive this subject had a purpose and has been worth discussing, though I admit, I should have clarified more what I was intending to get answered.
Riiiiight.
So did this one.
http://www.thepack.network/thepackboard ... php?t=3704
But it ended up getting locked.
This thread is going the same direction.
Despite my rant thread I'm very, very cranky still. Cranky enough to comment.Shadow Wulf wrote:*Has mouse over lock button* Only a matter of time comrads!Figarou wrote:John Wolf wrote:
However I still belive this subject had a purpose and has been worth discussing, though I admit, I should have clarified more what I was intending to get answered.
Riiiiight.
So did this one.
http://www.thepack.network/thepackboard ... php?t=3704
But it ended up getting locked.
This thread is going the same direction.
Did I say it was?Timber-WoIf wrote:Not all art is abstract.
What's the point in being an artist if you're not gonna be creative? You could just as easily do something that doesn't require it, like be a mathemetician. I just don't understand how someone can have that attitude and still draw things.Timber-WoIf wrote:And not all artist work for the sake of creativity. And not all artists care what things really mean. (boy, you have a narrow veiw of what an artist should be, dont you?)
Why is everything about sex with you people? Can't you get your minds out of the gutter for five damn minutes? There's a big difference between "furry" and "yiff", and anyone with some amount of intelligence should be able to understand that.Timber-WoIf wrote:If its not sexual in some way then i wont consider it furry art. Instead, i think of it at anthro or simply charicter art. I'm guessing Matt thinks similarly
Do you honestly think attempting to insult me is going to make me shut up?Timber-WoIf wrote:Dickwad
Oh really? Not only are you misinformed, you're a coward.Timber-WoIf wrote:And, honestly, i dont think that it's 100% him being insecure. For example, i would never tell my co-workers that i wuz a furry. Not because i'd be ashamed, but the peoplei work with would probibly have a hard time looking at me straight. You cant go out flaunting unpopular beliefs and such and interact smoothly in society.
That's funny, most people have never even HEARD OF furries. And anyone who believes everything they see on something like CSI is a brainless twit anyway.Timber-WoIf wrote:There shouldn't be those problems, but its one of those sad but true things. I would not want to be openly accociated with the furry cultrure either. It's nothing i have against them, but the general publics general stereotyping of the culture. Most people i've talked to who aren't familiar with the culture think furrys are only about having animal costume orgies.
Guess cumulusprotagonist should stop spouting the ideals of a Utopian society then? Seems to me like you're the one itching for a fight. I was just trying to make a point. Right now you both seem to be going out of your way to be against those against the system, so doesn't that make you just as guilty?Timber-WoIf wrote:OK, are you tryng to picka fight or something?
He's talking about people who are trying way to hard and going way out of thier way to be "against the system." Or people who are just retarded and think life can actually be made perfect.
Have you not read one of the many threads where he complains about people calling Camp Lycanthrope furry, even if it has nothing at all to do with the original topic?Timber-WoIf wrote:I didn't see his posts as being retaltiatory in any way.
Again, I was trying to make a point. What exactly don't you get about that?Timber-WoIf wrote:Yes, it was a blanket statement. But it was also a thoughtfull answer to the question posted at the beggining of this thread. And WTF does your hate for people have to do with anything? (for the record, i dispise rude little s*** who make irrelivant and retarded-a** comments for the sake of ticking people off)
Practice what you preach, cupcake.Timber-WoIf wrote:Set (and everyone else), stop reading posts as if they are aimed at attacking something and try to look at stuff as simple openions and observations.
That's what I don't get. You've drawn yiff (yiff, not furry art) and yet you complain about it. If you don't like it, or don't like what people think of it, then why the hell do you draw it? And not just porn, stuff of the fetish-type. I've seen your drawings. You know what I think? You just want an excuse. An excuse to complain and bring attention to yourself. Otherwise you wouldn't keep bringing it up in every. Damn. Topic.MattSullivan wrote:For God's sake, I myself have drawn ( and may draw in the future ) furry art.