The Pack on Wikipedia

Shadow Wulf · Post by **Shadow Wulf** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:20 pm

True, but like he said furry has developed a bad name now. I dont want this site to be under the category of a bad name.

Kaebora · Post by **Kaebora** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:25 pm

Hey, this is pritty nifty. Nice work.

outwarddoodles · Post by **outwarddoodles** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:46 pm

Shadow Wulf wrote:True, but like he said furry has developed a bad name now. I dont want this site to be under the category of a bad name.

With this attitude, you're allowing people to continue giving furries a bad name.

And on the other hand, what about the furry that does come to look at this page, but decides they don't want to join these forums because they're afraid we're not open to furries at all?

Shadow Wulf · Post by **Shadow Wulf** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:27 pm

I can undertstand and I have been supporting for furries for a long time now. Its just that it seems like there are more bad furries than good.

MattSullivan · Post by **MattSullivan** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:18 pm

The point being, that a lot of furries have no decorum. I could go into detail...but sufficive to say, their BEHAVIOR, especially among normal non furry people, can be pretty damn appalling. And unfortunatly, you tend to remember bad and outrageous behavior instead of good behavior. Of course there are nice furries out there. I know a few. butI hang out with them because they restrain themselves in public. i can't be around the 24-7 furry.

Kaebora · Post by **Kaebora** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:59 pm

I'm already sceptical towards intentions of the furry culture, since 80% of furry art is pornographic in nature.

It's still quite a bizarre minority, but is large enough to create a normality within their own group. What is weird to others is normal for them. So I just keep it to myself most of the time. I don't dislike them, just as long as they don't shove me into anything (metaphoricly speaking). So far, nothing to sway me to any "sides" of this argument. I'm kind of neutral about it. I like the (non-porn) athro art, but have no interest in the culture behind it. They are generaly nice people, so I can't say they are bad. I've never met an overtly rude furry before. It might be a rare thing.

Uh... how did we get into this subject again?

Set · Post by **Set** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:20 pm

Kaebora wrote:Uh... how did we get into this subject again?

Matt being a paranoid jackass.

Look, I'll tell you why taking any and all mentions of furry out of the article won't work: A good number of people on this forum are furs, and anyone with a mouse can click on a link and see that. It is about our community after all, which is largely composed of, like it or not, FURRIES. I'm a fur, Short Tail is a fur (and proudly displays it in his signature), shall I continue? You're not getting away from us. So suck it up and deal with it. Quite frankly, I'm sick of your bitching.

Kaebora · Post by **Kaebora** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:25 pm

Set, no name calling please. Lets keep this civil, mkay.

It's more fair to the group to not mention "types" of people that are in the community. Singleing out furries is unfair to the rest of us that don't have anything to call ourselves. Merely describing the basic attitudes of members is more than enough, and is very fair. Mentioning furries it in the Wiki implies that furries are a majority here. That isn't true about the forum. We have all kinds of people here. Saying that is enough.

Only curious though, but who's "bitching" are you refferring to?

You've got none of that coming from me. As I've said, I have nothing against furries. They have every right to post here, and I'm glad they do. I'm friends with many furries, here, and outside the forum.

Set · Post by **Set** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:49 pm

Kaebora wrote:Set, no name calling please. Lets keep this civil, mkay.

Oh, that was tame, trust me. But fine. Don't give me a reason to snarl and I won't. Simple, no?

Kaebora wrote:Only curious though, but who's "bitching" are you refferring to?

Matt. I mean, yeah ok we get it, studio execs are idiots. The first few times he said it was enough. Now it's gone from being helpful to just being obnoxious.

Kaebora · Post by **Kaebora** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:43 am

Well, I'd prefer not to see you provoke Matt any more. He seems pissed enough as is with all the stress under his belt. It's best to leave him be. I understand the frustration though. He's ragged on 3D animators already today, and I'm a 3D animator.

Spongy · Post by **Spongy** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:17 pm

Oh dear. xD

This seems to have led to quite the discussion about furries.

I'm just gonna keep out of this one.

Kaebora · Post by **Kaebora** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:19 pm

Ditto. I've said more than I should have as it is.

MattSullivan · Post by **MattSullivan** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:06 pm

This is the problem. When people misconstrue the nature of a GENERAL thread topic, they think it's an assault on THEM, when it clearly is not. I don't know how many times I've said I like furries and have furry friends. My POINT WAS, if we ever want to get any legitimacy to this website, to assist artists in selling or creating profitable films, it has to be seen as something other than just another furry website.

Thats all ^_^ *hugs and kisses*

outwarddoodles · Post by **outwarddoodles** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:50 pm

Woah. Why is the issue of furries so touchy?

When I responded to Matt, my position on Furries being mentioned on the Wiki was that, though I do think it's alright for us to be clear on the fact that Freeborn is not a "furry movie," there is no reason why we should have to avoid the mentionings of furries in our Wiki.
(I'm not saying we need to describe ourselves as a furry community. We're Not! But it is not a sin to admit that maybe we do have a lot of furry members here.)

We are not soley a furry forum, but we do welcome them as any other person; and that is a big part of our community.

MattSullivan · Post by **MattSullivan** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:45 pm

The issue is touchy, because the behavior of some furries baffles and frightens normal people. Yes, FRIGHTENS. I used to hang out with furry friends, but they would insist on wearing tails in public, or costumes, or howling, or whatever. Basically attracting all kinds of unwanted attention and being obnoxious in public. i can tolerate extreme behavior, to a point.

It's called decorum, and unfortunatly, it gets worse than that. The general view of furries from the standpoint of most normal people ( or MUNDANES , as furries call them, how's that for disrespect towards others ) Furries are seen as "middle aged, overweight animal molestors who don't bathe, like to dress up in explicit costumes and have group sex in hotel lobbies"

Want to know why they got that reputation. BECAUSE IT'S TRUE. I've been around the fans long enough to see it go from basically an innocent gathering of people who liked animal-themed cartoons and shows, to 100% XXX-plus rated porn factory focused ENTIRELY on the fetish aspect. And since i don't want to sound like a hypocrite, I myself tried drawing racy stuff. It just didn't appeal to me, and I stopped doing it.

No. not every furry is like this but it's behavior like that that made me not want to hang around some of my more extreme furry friends. I know why they like it, they have fun. It's like getting to stay a kid eventhough you're grown up. But nowadays it's gone to SUCH extremes, such as the proliferation of pedophiles, that...ugh...it's just become a haven for people with no decorum. And if anyone calls someone for acting like a jackass in public, they're called intolerant or hate mongerers or..well I'm sure there's som FURRY term for it, as they're always making up terms like "yiffy" *shudder*

I dunno. maybe the issue is tougher for me because i'm trying to get a film sold, and it's hard when you're constantly asked if it's "a goddamn furry movie" Makes me want to distance myself from it even more. if you wanna make a comic, most people dont seem to mind a little ( or a lot ) of adult content, cos you have that freedom on the web. but when you're selling amovie someone has to pony up the dough for, the last thing you want is your potential funders thinking it's gonna turn into some porn filled fur-fest.

Anthony's made a damn fine board here...very profesional...and judging by the way most people respond to the spambots they dont want it to be seen as some porn-infested board either

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:05 pm

WHOA!!! Someone added Figarou to that article!!

I'm suprised to even see that on there.

Thanks for the mention.

MattSullivan · Post by **MattSullivan** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:08 pm

You're already famous FIg, i dunno why yer surprised

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:20 pm

MattSullivan wrote:You're already famous FIg, i dunno why yer surprised

me ....famous?

*blushes*

Anubis · Post by **Anubis** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:16 pm

Figarou wrote: WHOA!!! Someone added Figarou to that article!!

I'm suprised to even see that on there.

Thanks for the mention.

Your welcome fig!

I thought you deserved it

Set · Post by **Set** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:09 pm

MattSullivan wrote:but when you're selling amovie someone has to pony up the dough for, the last thing you want is your potential funders thinking it's gonna turn into some porn filled fur-fest.

What I want to know is, why is furry porn any different than normal porn, which runs rampant in movies these days? (*pokes Underworld 2* I could have lived without seeing fang chick and freak boy making babies...) Seriously. With as much nudity and sex in movies I wouldn't think they'd care. It almost seems required in the minds of Hollywood.

Spongy · Post by **Spongy** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:16 pm

its fun to see that i have brought joy to the masses with the article.

and by masses, i mean whoever is happy with it. xD

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:35 pm

Set wrote:
MattSullivan wrote:but when you're selling amovie someone has to pony up the dough for, the last thing you want is your potential funders thinking it's gonna turn into some porn filled fur-fest.
What I want to know is, why is furry porn any different than normal porn, which runs rampant in movies these days? (*pokes Underworld 2* I could have lived without seeing fang chick and freak boy making babies...) Seriously. With as much nudity and sex in movies I wouldn't think they'd care. It almost seems required in the minds of Hollywood.

Exactly

Same goes for advertising.

Kirk Hammett · Post by **Kirk Hammett** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:30 am

Fig

I think many people to come will connect duckies to wolves. We all certainly do. Duckies have been the subject of so much fanart now, in werewolf art.

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More furry arguing

My view on furries is that they are people who wear animal costumes and have a fursona, perhaps a wereside...something I see nothing wrong with. Any group (Except maybe some religious groups where it's a sin) has porn and bad people. It's the same as saying "Every country has its bunch of idiots, whether politicians or working class people".

I'm not a furry, but that's not because I see anything wrong with them, it's just that having a fursona for me...it'd change with my interests anyway (one week she'd have wings, the next she might be rainbow, the next black and blue because I get bored with stuff quickly

), and wouldn't even be a big part of me (my guitar is more a part of me than even my 'wereside'), therefor being dishonest to myself I suppose (Although ignoring my wereside sometimes is also being dishonest I guess).

But I love the costumes! I want to make one

actually I want to make a few different ones, for fun.

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Sex in advertising...same with sex in music videos. People always tell me that to sell my music, I should wear sexy clothes onstage. (Me being a girl and all). I said no. I said I'd rather be eating cat food on the streets but playing gigs I want to play, I'd rather be poor, and stay true to my music and my morals, than be famous and sell myself and my music sexually.

Extremely sexually revealing music videos to me is NOT ON and should vanish forever.

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Anyhow I think we went off topic

sorry for adding to the off topicness!

Kaebora · Post by **Kaebora** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:30 pm

The whole point of this is that singleing out in the Wiki a particular type of people that post here is unfair to the rest of us that don't fit the description. This isn't a furry forum. It is a werewolf discussion board. We just happen to have some lovely furry fans contributing.

In regards to Matt's last rant, it's all sad but true. We're just afraid to mention it lest we be stoned with retaliation from the furry fans that hate to admit it themselves. There are a vast number of furries that are as he described, but there is also those that aren't so extreme or perverted. I would hope that the stereotype changes soon, but until then, furries are branded in a way that I'm sure they dislike. It's a huge shame. I regrettably admit I know a couple of furries that fit Matt's description. They kind of make me feel uncomfortable when they try to get me interested in the furry culture. I never wanted to make them mad by mentioning what I find to be weird, but I also don't want to change them, because they deserve to be as unique as they wish to be.

As far as the claims of bestiality, "lack of bathing", and being fat middle-aged men, I entirely disagree. That just comes from rumors started by people that assume too much. Most furries I know of have the same morals we do, and most of the ones I've met are teenagers and young adults.

MoonKit · Post by **MoonKit** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:48 pm

Sometimes, I have to admit that I love Set for saying it like it is.